Interview With World Renowned MC Devon Brown

And this woman came up to me and she says, Devon, can I, can I pull you aside for a second? I'm like, yes, ma'am. She says, I just got to tell you, you took us on a roller coaster. And I was like, what do you mean a roller coaster? She's like, well, sometimes you were up and sometimes you were down and sometimes, and you were never just at one level. And it made it really easy to want to pay attention to you.

Lisa Hugo

Fantastic to have you on the podcast and thank you for taking the time to share, because I think you've got some incredible experience and expertise and tips to share with my audience. Why don't we start by, you take us back. How did it all start for you?

Devon Brown

You know, it's funny how the universe prepares you for things early on and you're not able to connect the dots until you look back, and see how they were all connected. Being on stage started for me as a hip hop dancer, back when I was frequenting nightclubs and doing hip hop battles, in Atlanta and, and when I went to a university as well.

But, the whole MC thing started, when in about 2006, I was in LA with my boss. I was at an event, you know the book, Chicken Soup for the Soul? The authors of that book are Jack Canfield and Mark Victor Hansen. Mark Victor Hansen was doing an event in L.A., and so my boss and I flew out. My boss was supposed to go on stage for something, and nobody could find him. I had only been working for him for about three months, but Mark Victor Hansen's assistant said, I don't care how long you've been working for him, get on stage anyway, because he's gotta be on stage right now, and he's not here.

So, yeah. I did that and my boss found out that I did a good job and said, Devon, I want you hosting all of our internal events, from here on out. And so I just started hosting our company's internal events for free whenever we would do them. And, other people would see me on stage and say “can you come do mine?”

When I finally decided to own it and step into it, it wasn't long before I became, one of the best in the world.

Lisa Hugo

I want to share with my listeners, how we met, because that was at one of those events in London back in May of this year, 2023.

I was a keynote speaker and you were the MC at that event, and that was my first opportunity to get to see hands on your energy and your ability to really keep that audience engaged. And it was no easy feat over the course of three full days of keeping the momentum going in that room! One thing which was incredible to me was having you introduce me because that just gave me the confidence and the energy to go out on stage and feel very relaxed, because of the way you had prepped the audience for me coming out. I think that's really important, right? For your role as an MC? Tell me a little bit about how you do that.

Devon Brown

That is a great question. And, um, probably one of the most important parts of my job that other people who MC get completely wrong.

Here’s the challenge and I'll tell it with a little story. A few years ago, I was asked to host an event for dentists. And dentistry is an industry I know nothing about. It's not my area of expertise. And so the night before the event, I get a stack of papers and the event planners are like “hey Devon, here are the introductions for all of the speakers.”

I'm looking through these papers and I think, “this is ridiculous!” No introduction was less than 500 words. It was a bunch of medical terminology that I couldn't pronounce, nor did I understand. And, and this is the kicker, it was speaker focused, not audience focused. So what happened was I had to learn to develop a methodology for introducing speakers that focused more on getting the audience excited than it did just on speaker accomplishment.

Speaker accomplishments feed the speaker's ego, but what you as the speaker are going to share with the audience is what gets the audience excited. So, if I focus on what gets the audience excited and then use the key points of your bio to buttress that, then they're going to be more excited for you and more eager to learn from you, which makes your job as the speaker a lot easier, right?

So for you, Lisa, it was great because I was already familiar with you. I had seen your YouTube videos. I had seen a lot of what you do. And as somebody who uses his voice for a living, I love what you do! I appreciate and I understand the power of what it is that you do and what it is that you teach.

So the way it looks. Is not Lisa Hugo is, X, Y, Z and graduated from here and has this many degrees and has a, B, C and D. Instead, it's how many of you in the audience understand that the the more confident you are and the more effectively you can use your voice, the more success you're going to have.

I do. Great. Well, if you understand that, how many of you would like to be more confident and more effective using your voice? I would. Great. Well, in that case, you are going to love this next speaker because she is the number one at this and this and this. And that's how I introduce people in such a way that gets the audience excited about you, which makes you more excited to go out there and share with them, if that makes sense.

Lisa Hugo

That's so true. You're talking about this and I'm listening to your voice, and how you're bringing your voice down and then you can bring it back out again. Talk a little bit about how you have learned to hone the different dynamics and the power in your voice.

Devon Brown

A couple of ways.

The first way is by just paying attention to great speakers. I'm sure you've noticed this when you see somebody speaking on stage, There are sometimes, you have to stop and be like, they are really captivating me. As opposed to just being captivated by them, I step back and I'm like, why am I so captivated by you?

What are you doing that’s making me respond that way. Can I model that? That’s the first way I've learned to do it.

The second way I've learned to do it is, honestly, I kind of stumble across things by accident with audience feedback. And that's the great thing about being on stage a lot is that you get feedback from the audience.

And so I was at an event once and this woman came up to me and she says, Devon, can I pull you aside for a second? I'm like, yes, ma'am. She says, “I just got to tell you; you took us on a roller coaster.” And I was like, “what do you mean a roller coaster?” She's like, “well, sometimes you were up and sometimes you were down, and you were never just at one level and it made it really easy to want to pay attention to you.”

And I said, “I didn't even realize I was doing that. Thank you so much. I'm going to be more conscious about that in the future.”

So those are two of the ways I've gotten good at that.

Lisa Hugo

I love that because this is exactly what I'm teaching all of my students as well. How to embrace the different varieties in their voice.

I call it the five elements of voice, your pitch, your pace, your melody. Your volume and your tonality and how, when you can mix them all together and have a full control and mastery over that, then you can control the outcome of every situation because you can change up your voice. And one thing I noticed with a lot of the people that I work with is they find it very difficult to get out of their comfort zone where they're stuck and to explore beyond that because it feels uncomfortable.

So what advice would you have for my listeners?

Devon Brown

So one of the things that I like to do, and kind of fell into, and it's to record yourself doing different things. What I've learned over the years is that how I think I look and I sound is different from how I actually look and sound, right? So, the story I'm telling myself in my mind about how I look in sound is completely different from how I actually look in sound from the audience perspective.

And so a great way to test what Lisa is talking to you about is record yourself doing something outside of your comfort zone. Because in your mind, you're going to think to yourself, Man, that is ridiculous. What am I doing? That's going to come across crazy. And then you go watch the video of yourself and you're like, Oh WOW.

That's not that bad. Oh, wow. I didn't realize such and such and such and such. And so when you record yourself, that is fear free because you're the only one judging yourself. It’s fear free. Judging yourself is a whole other thing. But, uh, recording creates an environment in which to practice these new elements of getting outside of your comfort zone.

Lisa Hugo

Thank you for sharing that. Cause that's exactly the technique that I would also recommend to people. To record yourself and use different strategies to watch it back.

First, just listen, turn the phone off. Don’t even watch yourself, but listen, so you're tuning only into the sound. Then do the opposite and only watch yourself. Observe what your body's doing without the sound. And then one of my favorite tips is to transcribe it. You get them to transcribe what they said. And then when they look at that back and try to reread it, it's like, oh, hang on. How many fillers, how many arms and aghs and likes and you knows did I use? My didn’t have flow, I didn’t use stops or pauses.

You will notice if you ramble. It’s a very good way to assess yourself and really help to improve your own skills. Because the first way is to create that first awareness. And once you've got that awareness, then you can obviously then start to make those changes.

Devon Brown

That is a thousand percent correct and being able to in your first two tips about listen to yourself only listen only to the audio and then watch only the video, That is great!

I was watching a video of myself being silly one time, and I didn't realize the sound was muted at first, and I just thought my phone was broken, but what I was doing in this particular video was so engaging. I was like, “Oh my gosh, this is really good! I don't even know what I'm talking about, but this is amazing.”

Then I listened to an audio of a video and it sounded amazing. It sounded really excited, but when I was watching myself on stage, there was no congruency there. So it’s good to check yourself and make changes.

So those two pieces of advice are, are beyond powerful and are exactly right.

Lisa Hugo

You started to tap into fear and nervousness and how that can hold us back. So what's your experience with stage fright? We call it stage fright. Other people would just call it nervousness, anxiety going out on stage.

Have you ever experienced that? Did you at the beginning or were you just naturally charismatic? And if you did, how did you get yourself into the zone?

Devon Brown

So the answer to…have I experienced it or was I naturally charismatic? The answer to that is yes. Um, I still experience it a little bit when I go out on stages, especially big stages where the audience doesn't know me. The first thing I'll say is, being a little nervous or anxious or having stage fright is natural. So don't beat yourself up too bad about it. I mean, you're going to be the center of attention, right? For however long you're going to be the center of attention.

There's an element of, okay, that just makes sense for you to be a little bit nervous. And I wouldn't be too harsh on myself. I've never been harsh on myself about the fact that I feel nervous. When the nervousness kicks up an extra notch. The first thing I do is acknowledge it. Like, wow.

Okay. That's what I'm feeling. Look at that. I must care a lot about that. Then I ask myself, “have I prepared? Yes. Okay. Am I putting myself in a good spot?” Oh, maybe I'm not doing that. All right. Well, let me take a few deep breaths”.

I'll literally have a conversation with myself backstage. I look crazy right? And the people at the event are probably thinking what's wrong with him? But yes, I talk to myself and have a positive conversation with myself.

With regard to fear, nervousness, and anxiety, I find that a lot of it has to do with the conversation that we're having in our head, right, before we go on stage.

It has to do with the story that we're telling ourselves before we go on stage. The story we're telling ourselves about the audience, about what the audience is going to think about us, and all of those kinds of things. So one of the things that I've learned to do is adopt a few key truths.

And one of the key truths that I know is just true, that is my anchor, is that the audience wants you to do well. Selfishly. Let me ask you a question. “Have you ever gone to a comedy show or a theater show and wanted the people on stage to do bad?” No, never, right? You've never gone to a comedy show and said, man, I hope this comedian sucks. You've never gone to a theater show or to a play or performance and said, well, you know what? I hope that person really messes up their lines and ruins the whole play. We've never said that. And the reason we've never said that is because selfishly, when I'm in the audience, the better the speaker or the performer does, the more I get out of it.

So selfishly, I want you to do well, which means that I'm in your corner. I'm not against you. I'm not judging you at a fundamental level. I'm in your corner pulling for you. And so the first and the biggest thing that I say to myself is remember the audience is there and they are on your side want you to do well because selfishly Devon, the better you do, the more they get from you.

So that's probably the first thing I say to myself and the second thing I do, is I do a lot of first person visualization. If I can be on the stage, I will literally go on the stage before I get up there but if I can't and I know what the stage looks like, I'll imagine myself on the stage.

I'll imagine myself delivering my lines from the first person. I'm seeing the audience through my own eyes. Envisioning them laughing at my jokes. The more I practice something, the more my nervous system feels calm about that thing.

Lisa Hugo

Makes total sense. Hmm. I just had a lost my train of thought.

Devon Brown

No, it's okay. That’s ok. Let me share something real quick on that.

Lisa Hugo

Yes, great topic, one that everyone struggles with at some point.  

Devon Brown

 Yes, that's a great one. Let me tell you something. My job as an MC is often to stall for time, right?

One of the things that I have to get decent at is just making up stuff as I go along, right? And there are times when I will forget what I'm about to say or about to do. I knew that I was getting comfortable on stage when I had the audacity to say to an audience of 2, 000 people,

“Can I tell you guys something? I was supposed to say A, B, and C, and I've completely forgotten it! So hold on one second as I think about what I'm going to say.”

I'm literally saying this to the audience and they're loving it. Because it's human because they've all been there and when you can own and embrace your mess ups and I put that in quote on purpose, the more the audience is going to love you.

“I just messed up!” I'll say to the audience. “Oh my gosh. Did you hear me? Just stumble over my words. Cool. Can I get a quick redo? All right. Thanks.”

 That's real. Right? That's so true. The more you can embrace that, the more the audience is going to love you. Yeah.

Lisa Hugo

Audiences love vulnerability. They love it when you show your true self and your authentic self.

Speaking of authenticity, when I’m working with clients on voice and confidence and getting them outside their comfort zone, I often hear, “but now I'm no longer authentic.” What would you say to that?

Devon Brown

Who, you are and who you can be are both authentic. Just because something feels more comfortable right now doesn't necessarily automatically make it authentic. The question that I always ask people is “what is your come from? Who are you being and how are you being inside when you deliver whatever you're delivering?”

One of the things that I've learned is that there are certain ways of speaking or ways to deliver certain actions on stage, in a way that's authentic. And there's a way to do it in a way that's inauthentic. Being inauthentic isn't in the action itself.

It's where I come from when I do the action, right? Somebody says to me, “well, Devon, I don't want to get on stage and dance because that's what you do, right? Okay. Getting on stage and dancing is authentic for me, but you know what? Getting on stage and dancing isn't always authentic for me. Sometimes I'm forcing it.”

It's an authentic action for me, but sometimes I'm forcing it and it's not authentic. And so what I would say is try it on for size, without any judgment. That means, whatever you're telling them to do, right? Get them to try it on for size without any judgment. Feel it and feel the parts of it that might be really authentic.

That feeling of, you know what? This is where I am and Lisa wants me to be here, right? I get what she's saying and I honestly feel room for myself to expand. Maybe it's not right here. Maybe it's over here. Maybe I can take what Lisa's saying, try it on and see, how can I project more in a way that is authentic that doesn't make it sound like I'm screaming, right? How can I adjust my melody so that I'm more flowy as opposed to being staccato in a way that's more authentic for me? And so I would say it's a lot of just trying and massaging and feeling around, but I promise you it's in there.

And if Lisa's telling you to do it, then she knows what she's talking about!

Lisa Hugo

Thank you Devon. I want to talk about the difference between being an emcee and being a keynote speaker, because they're very different, aren't they? And what’s required from each role is really quite different.

You’ve been a public speaker before as well as an MC. I saw you've shared the stage with Tony Robbins, Les Brown and Rachel Hollis and a whole lot of other names that are titans in the industry. So share a little bit about that side of it and, and the differences, the nuances between the two roles

Devon Brown

Emceeing is way harder. Generally speaking, when you go on stage as a speaker, you're speaking about something that you're an expert on, right? You're giving a speech that or topic, in all likelihood, you're extremely familiar with.

You've probably given the speech a million times before. If you're established in your industry and you go on stage for your 30, 45, 90 minutes, whatever it is, and you deliver for the 15th time this year, you know your stuff. My job as an MC is way more difficult.

Roger Love, who's a great speaker coach in our industry, described it really well. He said, “Devon your job is threefold.”

Number one, my job is to be the tour guide for the audience, to guide the audience through the event. What I've got to do is, I've got to stand up and say…

“hey everyone, you don't know me, but my job is to be your best friend along this journey for the next three days. I gotta teach you how to get the most out of the event. I gotta make sure that you're up, awake, and engaged. And I gotta make sure that if a speaker comes on and they're horrible, I gotta guide you back to this land of energy and awakeness and awareness.”

So my first job is to guide the audience. My second job is to protect the event.

One of the hardest parts of my job and one of the reasons that I get booked out so far in advance is that when things go sideways at events, which they always do because events are living things, right? The AV is going to break, a video is not going to work in a presentation, a speaker is going to be delayed, those things just happen.

But when those things happen, my job is to protect the event. So my job is to go on stage and riff for five to literally 40 minutes. Four zero! While making it seem and feel like it's part of the event. Like nothing is wrong. I've gotta protect the integrity of the event.

The last thing I have to do is I have to be the steward of energy.

I have to influence the energy and the event. I've got to do all that across, not 45 minutes, which is, you know, average speaker time, but I've gotta do all that across three days! So Emceeing is, in my opinion, infinitely harder! But I cannot be a good MC. If I'm not a good public speaker, I cannot be a good MC if I don't know and understand much of what you teach about how to use the voice to influence the audience, how to use the voice to connect with the audience, because whether you show up or not for the afternoon session has a lot to do with what I did the entire morning. Given the choice, I would much rather be a speaker, from an ease perspective, from an, I want a big challenge perspective, I'll MC it.

Lisa Hugo

Yeah. I've seen you in action and you really are an absolute master at what you do. You recently were MC for Funnel Hacking Live. Now you've done this a few times, share a bit about that experience.

Devon Brown

Funnel Hacking Live is an amazing event. For those of you who don't know, it's actually one of the biggest conferences every year in the internet marketing industry.

If you're an internet entrepreneur, if you're an internet marketer, Funnel Hacking Live is one of The Events, to be at. It’s put on by a company called Clickfunnels which is owned by Russell Brunson, who is a pretty big name in the industry and a guy named Todd Dickerson.

I've known Russell and Todd for quite some time. There have been nine funnel hacking lives and I've been blessed to be the MC for all nine of them. This last one was just a huge, like 5000 people.

But what happened was, one of the early events I emceed, when I was just starting out, Russell was one of the speakers. I introduced Russell to the stage and that's how I got to know Russell. This was back in 06, 07. And so the first Funnel Hacking Live, which was 2015, Russell hits me up on Facebook, he's like, DeVon, what are you doing next week?

I say, “I don't know, being, being awesome.” He says, “I got 600 people coming to Vegas. I forgot to hire an emcee. Do you still do it?” And back then I would just kind of MC here and there just because my friends would ask me to. I didn't really care. “I say, probably not.”

Russell says, “I'll pay all your expenses and you can come race Ferraris with us.” And that was it. “Count me in. I'm your emcee.”

And so I flew out, emceed the first Funnel Hacking Live. And then from there, the rest is history.

That event went from 600 people to now over 5000 people and I'm just honored to be a part of such a high level event because what goes into putting on that from the event planners to coordinators to staging to lights to ads to lasers to smoke, just to be part of that production?

It's always really humbling and really honoring. If you've never been to Funnel Hacking Live, be sure to check it out.

Lisa Hugo

It's actually on my radar for next year. I know a lot of my friends go.

Devon Brown

Yes, yes. Yeah, we have a bunch of mutual friends that go.

Lisa Hugo

I can imagine this would have been something which would have given you the opportunity to really get exposure and escalate your career thereafter. What advice would you give to somebody who is aspiring to be an MC?

How would they get started?

Devon Brown

Great question. First, get comfortable on stage, get comfortable using your voice.

This is a little side note. One of my jobs, as I mentioned earlier, is to protect the event. And sometimes I have to protect the event from speakers who are not good speakers. Sometimes the speaker will go on stage, and they will bring the energy down.

They will be horrible. I'll MC an event sometimes with 15 speakers and just the law of averages tells me that one of them might be bad and that's okay. No harsh judgment, but what I've got to do to use my speaking skills to overcome what that last individual just did in absolutely destroying the energy in the room.

So, the first thing I'll say is get good at speaking, get good at learning how to use your voice and everything that Lisa teaches, because I use it often. I need to be better at it than a lot of the people who come up and speak for 30 or 45 minutes, right? I got to use it for three days.

Get good at your voice. Second thing I would say is understand that if you are going to be an emcee, you've got to set your ego to the side. And this was one of the hardest things to learn. Because naturally when I am on stage, when any human is on stage, but I'll speak about myself, when I am on stage, I want to be like…

“Hi!, I'm on stage. I'm Devon. Here's why I'm awesome. Here's where to contact me. Here's where to hire me. Here’s all this extra stuff I know!”

At some events, I'll know more about the topic than the person speaking about it and my ego wants to be center.

I can't. If you're going to be an emcee, you've got to humble yourself and understand that the event comes first and your job as the emcee is to big up whoever is speaking next. Even if you know more than them on the topic!

The third thing I'll say, if you're going to be an emcee is get really friendly with event planners. One of the biggest ways that I've gotten on a lot of the stages I've gotten on is because I've become friends with event planners.

So event planners do a lot of events. An event planner will have anywhere from, 5 to 20 events a year and a certain number of those events might need an emcee. As opposed to just trying to go to event to event to event. A smarter play is to go to the person who's got 20 events and then say, hi, and get to be friends with that person.

“It’s not what you know, but WHO you know”

When I first started doing this, probably 60 percent of my gigs came from event planners. Event planners who had worked with me and I'd done such a good job and I'd made their life so easy by not being a diva, …because they have to deal with divas all the time, right?

This speaker wants to move their slot this one didn’t show up. My question is always, what can I do to help? What can I do to serve? What can I do to make your life easier? Then at the end of the event, they every time I have an event that needs an MC, I'm calling Devon first.

So those are the three things I would say. Learn how to use your voice. Kick your ego to the side. Put the event first, and number three, get really good, become good friends with event planners because they will be your key inside a number of events.

Lisa Hugo

That's really good advice. If you're going to be starting out and people don't know you then you need a show reel to, demonstrate what you're capable of. Let’s say you haven't had a lot of experience yet. How would you put that together or how would you showcase yourself?

Devon Brown

Excellent. Oh, good question. Number one, What footage, what images do you have? So I'm going to start with what I do have. I don't have a lot. Can I get a couple of professional headshots? Can I get a couple of professional things that make it look like I'm talking on stage?

Can I rent a studio? Even better, to get footage of yourself, to get exposure being on stage so you can come from an authentic place, could you do one event for free?

Could you do an event for free? Could you do a single day event for free? Right. And so let's say there's an event in your local area. You call them and say, I am an up and coming event MC. I was wondering if I could MC your event, for free. Obviously having met with them before hand to show who you are.

I would love to help and serve and right. Then when you go on stage, you would do the best you can to serve the event.

I would also hire a videographer to follow you around with a camera and a video so that they could have it focused on you interacting with the crowd. What people putting on events really want for you to have a positive impact on the audience. It’s less about you being awesome and more about your impact with the audience. So make sure that if, for example, I'm having the audience all raise their hand, you get me leading the audience in raising their hand.

I would also have maybe two outfit changes or three outfit changes so it looks like I'm doing things over many days. This way you can take one event and make it look like you've been on stage, 12 times.

And then I would take that and I would put that all into sizzle reel.

The other thing I would do if I was just starting out, is go to the people with the answers and just copy their success. I would find a Lisa Hugo and be like, “Lisa, tell me what to put in my event reel.” Or I would go to the people with the event reels that really captured me and I'd use them as an example something similar.

I want to just spend a little bit of time getting to know Devin on the other side of the stage. Okay. You're on the road all the time. You've got a very hectic schedule from what I've seen.

There must be some downtime. What do you do for relaxation, mental awareness, physical fitness , because being on stage is physical. What do you do for yourself?

Number one, I honor my downtime. That doesn’t mean I do the same thing every time.

It just means I honor whatever's inside of me to do. I'm on the road, I don't get to go to the gym as much as I would like to. do sometimes the events I do are six in the morning to 11 at night. And then I wake up and I do the whole thing again. So I just don't get my workouts in. That’s real talk.

When I'm at home, one of the ways I honor my downtime is I'm in the gym every day when I'm at home. I just recently got married and so now it's a little bit harder. I used to be the singlets person ever, so my alone time was very alone.

Now I've got somebody else, and so my wife and I have had conversations because when I'm on the road, she's been home alone. Then I come home and she needs time with me whereas I need to go sit down and do nothing because I've spent the last three days giving everything to a bunch of strangers.

So it's a matter of having an adult conversation and saying, how can we support each other? The question I always ask myself is, what do I need to do for rest right now? What do I genuinely have in me? And whatever I genuinely have in me is okay. What do I have in me right now? Nothing. I need to watch TV and I need to binge watch something for seven hours. That's okay. What do I have in me right now? Well, you know what? I've got two weeks off, which is rare. I really want to work on my new online business. It's teaching a lot of this stuff so that I can spend less time on the road.

I rest when I can rest. I play when I can play. I unplug when I can unplug. I work out when I can work out and then I honor whatever I'm feeling and I try to have that balance. 

Lisa Hugo

Congratulations. I met your lovely wife.

Devon Brown

She’ll come with me to events, maybe 40 percent of the time, depending on the event.

And people will come up to her all the time and they'll say, wow, it must be a blast living with Devon. He is so exciting on the stage. And she's like, this is for you. She’ll tell people that I'm boring at home. I'm Captain decompress when it comes to just being at home.

Lisa Hugo

That’s so interesting that you say that because I don't think people understand that when you go out on stage, you do have to become a character. It's really not dissimilar to being an actor or being a performer. You have to give to your audience. And, and so when you're off that stage, you could be an introvert.

When you go out on that stage as an introvert, you need to find, find that space. Charisma, your ability to be able to, present well, but when you go off stage, you don't have to be that person. You can go back into your introverted place and be very comfortable.

Devon Brown

Correct. Yeah. It is a switch. It is a switch that I've learned to flip on naturally.

I'm more naturally extroverted, but I've learned the power and the importance of being introverted. So for all my introverted friends out there, what you have and

Lisa Hugo

Yeah. Tell us a little bit about your course. You also are mentoring people ot become better speakers and Emcees. Tell us a little bit about that side of you.

Devon Brown

I've been an internet entrepreneur for going on 20 years now. I have one course that is already launched and one course that depending on when you're watching this may or may not be launched. We've been actually working on it all this week. The first course is called awesome on stage, the masterclass.

It is all my advice for people who want to become better at public speaking. And what I go over in that course is what I call the four C's of public speaking. They are how to be more confident on stage, how to, be more connected on stage. How to be composed on stage, especially when things go sideways and how to be more captivating on stage.

So, connection, composure, confidence and captivation. The awesome on stage masterclass course focuses on those four C's .

What I'm in the process of creating and launching now is a course called Express MC. In just about two and a half hours, I teach you all of the core stuff that you need to know if you're going to host or MC an event.

What are the most important lessons that I've learned over the past 20 years? I teach them to you in one afternoon. Bot of those, by the way, are available at www.awesomeonstage.com. Under courses.

Lisa Hugo

Yeah. Tell us a little bit about your course. You also are mentoring people ot become better speakers and Emcees. Tell us a little bit about that side of you.

Devon Brown

You can go to awesome on stage on Instagram or www.devonbrown.tv And then, YouTube is devonbrown.tv.

Lisa Hugo

Okay. And you give out some really good tips in your, in your platforms on your, on your social as well. So definitely worth following you.

Well, it's been awesome having you on the show Devon. Thank you so much for sharing, sharing so much of your insights, your knowledge, your expertise, your experiences, and being vulnerable. Thank you.

Devon Brown

It's been my pleasure. I'm so glad you texted me. I'm so glad we met and I can't wait to share the stage with you again.

I'm so honored that you would have me and so just thank!

Lisa Hugo

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